east-tx-tv 105 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Just wondering, is anyone seeing any pushback on early local morning news times? I've noticed that KXAS has given up on 4:30am starts recently (they're doing 2 runs of Early Today instead, strangely). I'm not trying to encourage the dreaded list thread, just asking if this might be a trend. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greggo 340 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Competitor KTVT gave up on that timeslot during the early days of coronavirus. And earlier this year, KPRC/Houston killed their 4:30a newscast allegedly due to a producer shortage. They’re also now airing 2 Early Todays. Not aware of any others, although I’m sure there are some more. In both markets you still have the Fox O&O starting at 4a though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveNews 327 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Definitely doesn't make sense to start at 4/4:30 in most markets as is the trend now. I can accept a 4am start time in top 5 or even top 10 markets. Anything else is just a $$ grab for advertising dollars. I get it, you have to make money somehow, but I feel resources could be better allocated elsewhere. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycnewsjunkie 1395 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 I noticed WFOR quietly dropped the 4:30am half hour too. I think stations are finally realizing that, at least in much of the country, there really isn’t much of an audience/advertiser draw at 4 in the morning. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nynewslover2 11 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 I would agree in most areas of the country a 4am or 4:30a newscast isn’t worth the resources used to produce the content. In top 5 Markets; NYC, LA, Chicago, Philly it’s ok as many people start work at 5am or 6am. A market like Washington DC definitely has an audience for a 4am newscast as it’s one of those places with commuters traveling long long distances to get into the city. As a result people wake up extremely early. Same with the SF/Bay Area. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Newsroom 1149 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Persoanlly, I honestly don't mind local morning newscasts in most markets going back to starting later. Most reports (outside of breaking news) that air at the 4am hour typically would be repeated during the rest of the broadcast anyway. And just because a lot of people wake up before 4am, that doesn't mean everyone does. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitTVNews 65 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 When WWJ relaunched their news operation earlier this year, they started their morning newscast at 5 AM, and this remains true as of now. Surprisingly, WJBK still has a 4 AM start and WDIV and WXYZ still start at 4:30. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson R. 560 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 I can remember several years back, didn’t WFXT move their morning news from 4-10am to 5-11am? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmediaguy 122 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Nelson R. said: I can remember several years back, didn’t WFXT move their morning news from 4-10am to 5-11am? Yes, during the height of the pandemic, they replaced the 4am-5am hour with a 10am-11am hour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadcowatbk 144 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 can't people sleep in a little longer with remote work? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD TV 163 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 9 hours ago, Nynewslover2 said: I would agree in most areas of the country a 4am or 4:30a newscast isn’t worth the resources used to produce the content. In top 5 Markets; NYC, LA, Chicago, Philly it’s ok as many people start work at 5am or 6am. A market like Washington DC definitely has an audience for a 4am newscast as it’s one of those places with commuters traveling long long distances to get into the city. As a result people wake up extremely early. Same with the SF/Bay Area. For DC, yeah, Northern Virginia is very sprawling and people will travel that far for work (even if remote work is very prominent in the area). NBC and Fox both start at 4AM. And it's for reasons like this why all 5 LA newsrooms start at 4AM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRob 919 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 After the pandemic started and people stayed home, we saw the biggest drop in audience at 4:00 a.m.. The midday news had the biggest increase. If remote work truly sticks, I would redirect 4:00 a.m. resources to middle-of-the-day content. And while it is not the desired demographic, the biggest TV watchers, the baby boomers, are mostly retired. My parents were early risers when I was a kid. Now my mom doesn't wake up before 7:30. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaZone4K 1509 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) It depends on the market but anything at 4am is a rehash of last night's news or announcing what's going to happen today. Many stations don't even have liveshots until 5am. The only new content is weather and whatever traffic there is. Starting that early feels unnecessary. I like the WSVN model. Rerun the 11pm news at 4:30 am and start the morning news at 5am (or 5:30 in quieter markets). Edited July 23, 2023 by MediaZone4K 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compubit 670 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 I would think an 11pm rebroadcast at 4/4:30 would work - the only thing I would consider would be to record a toss to morning weather for a little more current info. West coast is weird, in that a 4am would work better, as some folks out there work work east coast times, so are more likely to be up earlier. Also being in DC, a 4am newscast didn’t help one of my coworkers: he left home at 3:30am to beat the traffic from Culpeper (70+ miles away). He did stream the 6am news from WDAY (his hometown station…) at the office… 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3443 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) And then there's Sinclair....case in point WPMI. Had a long-standing morning news program that even pre-dated their switch from FOX to NBC. Over the years, it expanded to 2 hours, and under Sinclair, even expanded to 4:30am. Because of their arrangement with Deerfield and cross-ownership of WEAR, they had to cancel the 4:30am due to going over the 15% programming limit that an operator can produce on a JSA/SSA station. The competition responded by expanding to 4:30am since they were freely able to. Fast forward to Sinclair creating The National Desk, their hot, new national broadcast that's sweeping the nation! This past April, bye-bye went the local news in the morning, and was replaced by TND. In the carnage, other Sinclair markets were severely cut back, and even had local newscasts eliminated altogether, replaced largely by TND. Now with Scripps cutting back at their stations, nationalization of local newscasts could slowly be turning into a thing.... Edited July 23, 2023 by tyrannical bastard 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottSchell 268 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 I can tell you that here in Tulsa KJRH doesn’t do a 4:30 anymore they show their web streaming news, KOTV still does a 4:30, KTUL does a 4:30 and KOKI does a 4:30 instead of a 4am. As for OKC KWTV has a 4am, KOCO does a 4:30, KFOR does a 4am and KOKH doesn’t do a 4 or 4:30am. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadcowatbk 144 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/23/2023 at 6:19 AM, MD TV said: For DC, yeah, Northern Virginia is very sprawling and people will travel that far for work (even if remote work is very prominent in the area). NBC and Fox both start at 4AM. commuting from Exburn West Virginia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoddf2 2 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/23/2023 at 2:16 PM, ScottSchell said: I can tell you that here in Tulsa KJRH doesn’t do a 4:30 anymore they show their web streaming news, KOTV still does a 4:30, KTUL does a 4:30 and KOKI does a 4:30 instead of a 4am. As for OKC KWTV has a 4am, KOCO does a 4:30, KFOR does a 4am and KOKH doesn’t do a 4 or 4:30am. TitanTV and Zap2it tell me KJRH-TV still airs a 4:30 newscast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottSchell 268 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, xoddf2 said: TitanTV and Zap2it tell me KJRH-TV still airs a 4:30 newscast. It will show that but I’ve watched it. All it is is web stories they air 24/7 online when the newscast isn’t on air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megatron81 179 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 In West Michigan I don't believe they need a 4:30AM newscast in my opinion 5AM is when it should start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenShine9 1509 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/23/2023 at 6:19 AM, MD TV said: For DC, yeah, Northern Virginia is very sprawling and people will travel that far for work (even if remote work is very prominent in the area). NBC and Fox both start at 4AM. And it's for reasons like this why all 5 LA newsrooms start at 4AM. Even a 2 am or 3 am start could be argued for in those markets. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganNewsGraphicsJunkie 743 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 4 hours ago, Megatron81 said: In West Michigan I don't believe they need a 4:30AM newscast in my opinion 5AM is when it should start. I agree -- there aren't that many newsworthy things happening... Each half-hour is the same boring thing unless there is "breaking news or weather" 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaZone4K 1509 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) What puzzles me is still beginning the news at 4/4:30 a.m. on major holidays holidays like Thanksgiving or Christmas where people aren't going to work. I would assume this is for continuity sake or ad dollars? Edited July 25, 2023 by MediaZone4K 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggi 600 Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 Some of the stations I have worked for have pre-empted AM newscasts on some of those holidays. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenShine9 1509 Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 On 7/25/2023 at 6:53 AM, MediaZone4K said: What puzzles me is still beginning the news at 4/4:30 a.m. on major holidays holidays like Thanksgiving or Christmas where people aren't going to work. I would assume this is for continuity sake or ad dollars? A weekend schedule is best on major holidays. Even normal local shift workers wouldn't likely need the news before about 5 or 6 am then. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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