dman748 1250 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 47 minutes ago, tyrannical bastard said: This includes ABC affiliates too, not just the O&O stations. Wouldn't that put Google at risk of being sued by groups like Hearst, Tegna, Gray and Scripps for breach of contract on the ABC affiliates? Because they do have deals with those groups which did cover the ABC affiliates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3442 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, dman748 said: Wouldn't that put Google at risk of being sued by groups like Hearst, Tegna, Gray and Scripps for breach of contract on the ABC affiliates? Because they do have deals with those groups which did cover the ABC affiliates. It should. Google is well within their ability to black out the network content on these stations. There are plenty of shows that are blacked out because of the lack of "digital rights" to carry them. A notable example a few weeks ago was when CBS's airing of Rudolph was unavailable. Even James Spann of ABC 33/40 chimed in. Keep in mind the viewers have even more reason to be incensed since this is Alabama and that team is at it....AGAIN, for like the 40th time. Edited December 18, 2021 by tyrannical bastard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth Kissel 280 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) On 10/1/2021 at 3:24 PM, Kenneth Kissel said: If I was a station owner (Nexstar,Sinclair,Tegna, Hearst, Scripps, Gray and others). I would bring this situation up in retransmission talks with Comcast so something like this can never happen again. BTW, what is stopping ViacomCBS, Fox, and Disney from doing the same thing? You would think Comcast would have more to lose due to ViacomCBS, Fox, and Disney not owning a cable service. BTW, the extension only lasts till Tonight. Here we are with Disney and ABC. Once again, Nexstar, Sinclair, Scripps, Hearst, Gray, Allen, and others need to step in so many of the ABC affiliates can stay on YouTube TV. Edited December 18, 2021 by Kenneth Kissel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkBRollins88_v2 316 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, dman748 said: Wouldn't that put Google at risk of being sued by groups like Hearst, Tegna, Gray and Scripps for breach of contract on the ABC affiliates? Because they do have deals with those groups which did cover the ABC affiliates. My (non-lawyer) brain tells me google would be violating retrans agreements with the station groups by removing all of their programming, even local newscasts and syndicated shows, infomercials, education programming, etc. that have nothing to do with ABC. But clearly Google’s lawyers think this is okay. Seems like an overreach if you ask me. But I haven’t seen the fine print of the deals the station groups have, so maybe it allows for this. Certainly, if there is a loophole in station groups’ agreements with google (or any other carrier) that allow this to happen, I’m sure next time they negotiate a deal… they will add a clause to make sure this can’t happen. — I’m curious, have we ever seen something like this happen before… where a cable/streaming provider removes an entire network and its affiliates from its lineup, without regard for the fact that those affiliates carry more than just that network’s programming? I can’t think of one. Edited December 18, 2021 by MarkBRollins88_v2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowBergen 485 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, MarkBRollins88_v2 said: My (non-lawyer) brain tells me google would be violating retrans agreements with the station groups by removing all of their programming, even local newscasts and syndicated shows, infomercials, education programming, etc. that have nothing to do with ABC. But clearly Google’s lawyers think this is okay. Seems like an overreach if you ask me. But I haven’t seen the fine print of the deals the station groups have, so maybe it allows for this. Certainly, if there is a loophole in station groups’ agreements with google (or any other carrier) that allow this to happen, I’m sure next time they negotiate a deal… they will add a clause to make sure this can’t happen. — I’m curious, have we ever seen something like this happen before… where a cable/streaming provider removes an entire network and its affiliates from its lineup, without regard for the fact that those affiliates carry more than just that network’s programming? I can’t think of one. I believe someone months ago addressed this in an earlier post if you feel like scrolling. If memory serves me right, the affiliates ceded retransmission to the networks which when you step back makes sense. Steamers would have to renegotiate with every affiliate group, large and small which would be chaotic. In the end, everyone wants their payday, and no one wants to give in. Only the customers suffer, either with blackouts or increased fees. So far no one has come up with a better system. Maybe one day.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman748 1250 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 7 hours ago, tyrannical bastard said: It should. Google is well within their ability to black out the network content on these stations. There are plenty of shows that are blacked out because of the lack of "digital rights" to carry them. A notable example a few weeks ago was when CBS's airing of Rudolph was unavailable. Even James Spann of ABC 33/40 chimed in. Keep in mind the viewers have even more reason to be incensed since this is Alabama and that team is at it....AGAIN, for like the 40th time. Spann does have a point, the old TV model is broken yes, but it can be fixed. What that looks like is anyone's guess because no one has come up with anything to fix the TV business model because most if not, all the companies are going to squeeze every ounce of the retrans fees they can until they can no longer do that, and we might be years away from getting to that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3442 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) YouTubeTV was the first OTT provider to pretty much cover the country with Big 4 network coverage. The only gaps were in very small markets, and even then, notable gaps were filled with either a network feed (mostly by ABC), adjacent affiliates (in Zanesville, Ohio where neighboring WBNS and "Fox 28" round out the market with WHIZ), and nearby O&Os (Alpena, MI gets WMAQ Chicago). The only hodgepodge determined by group is CW and MyNetwork stations. Sinclair has most of those covered, where Gray does not (CW legacy stations before Quincy since they had CW access). Nexstar has none, not even WGN (but WPIX was one when they were briefly owned by Scripps). There are still loopholes to get their newscasts in an area, especially when the owner has a FOX or CW station in the market. Mostly Sinclair, with their ABC/FOX combos. Nexstar stations are the most SOL right now since they are still in the dark ages with OTT coverage via the news apps like NewsON and VUit. Everyone else is pretty well-covered if they have issues getting an antenna signal from their local ABC station. Edited December 19, 2021 by tyrannical bastard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3442 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 And after a day and a half, a deal has been reached. https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/disney-youtube-tv-renewal-1235138299/ Best news of all, all of the affected customers are still getting a $15 credit on their next bill! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth Kissel 280 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Suddenlink Will drop Nexstar Stations on January 7th, 2022 if a Deal isn't reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowBergen 485 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Actually it’s all of Altice USA. There is a notice on PIX11 website. There has been no notification however from Optimum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvcg66b3r 97 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Just now, NowBergen said: Actually it’s all of Altice USA. There is a notice on PIX11 website. There has been no notification however from Optimum. Isn't PIX11 owned by Mission Broadcasting? They shouldn't be affected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowBergen 485 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, mvcg66b3r said: Isn't PIX11 owned by Mission Broadcasting? They shouldn't be affected. Mission is such a sham. Everything about the station is Deathstar except the ownership papers on file. I assume their “agreement “ with Mission includes retransmission rights. The notice is at the top of the website. Yet it’s still on the air 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvcg66b3r 97 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 minute ago, NowBergen said: Mission is such a sham. Everything about the station is Deathstar except the ownership papers on file. I assume their “agreement “ with Mission includes retransmission rights. The notice is at the top of the website. Yet it’s still on the air If it's still on the air, maybe they'll drop it at midnight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowBergen 485 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Almost 8 am on 1/8 and WPIX is still on Optimum (Altice). The PIX11 website has been updated to say Optimum may drop PIX11 on Jan 8 much more predominantly (yesterday it was smaller and used yesterday's date). There is no mention of it on Optimum's or AlticeUSA's website. To be continued.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth Kissel 280 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Tegna and Fios came to an agreement today. https://www.pilotonline.com/business/consumer/vp-nw-verizon-fios-wvec-20220108-czvsozsmrbf4bnssayyzxc3x2m-story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3442 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 It seems there should be some separation between Mission and Nexstar carriage agreements. Sinclair tying deals to their sidecars necessitated separate deals that were entered into with each station owner group. Because this ties into programming, that is the legal tie to the licensee on how the station is being "programmed". Hopefully, these carriage deals with Altice/Optimum/Suddenlink are either a coincidence or grandfathered into a prior arrangement, and not some form of collusion between Nexstar and it's sidecars. There have been separate disputes where Nexstar got dropped and Mission stayed on a provider, and vice versa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowBergen 485 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Basically Nester runs PIX11. From management to all programming and station operations. Mission is a sham for Nester to get around ownership caps. Until the FCC or Congress decides to do something about this, they will be permitted to exist. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCB4TV 330 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 DISH is at it again, this time its with Block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven 1944 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 ....And now Block has pulled its signals from Dish Network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCB4TV 330 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 TV Answer Man has posted a scorecard of all the ongoing DISH squabbles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCB4TV 330 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Dish & Block Communications Settle Carriage Dispute Updated: Dish Could Lose 12 More Local Stations Tonight (Morgan Murphy Media) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidwestTV 1173 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Tegna is back on Dish, conveniently after reports of their sale becoming more imminent. https://deadline.com/2022/02/tegna-stock-jumps-on-report-of-new-sale-talks-as-station-group-seals-carriage-deal-with-dish-ending-4-month-blackout-1234926787/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megatron81 179 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Funny how disputes end when it is close to the Olympics & Super Bowl that Dish agrees with TEGNA I'm guessing Dish will drop it's complaint with the FCC. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyNewsOpens 83 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Anyone know if there's anything with Tegna and YT TV? WTHR is blacked out on my guide, even though I'm in the Indy region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3442 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, IndyNewsOpens said: Anyone know if there's anything with Tegna and YT TV? WTHR is blacked out on my guide, even though I'm in the Indy region. It appears to be working now. I dialed up Indy on my browser and WTHR shows up with the other Indy YTTV locals. I have the "location guard" plugin on my Chrome. I just set it to "fixed location", and move the pointer to where I want to test it. Edited February 22, 2022 by tyrannical bastard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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