Mrtraveler01 737 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 NewsWatch is pretty well known. It's been around since 1988, and I imagine Cox doesn't want to get rid of it. It can't be that costly to run either, since it's basically just reairing WWL newscasts. Cox probably makes a decent amount of revenue with the local ads it airs on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hathawaynson2 38 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 TVNewsCheck posted this speculation article about the possibilities post-merger, primarily St. Louis. A couple of tidbit, the article states that Gannett has stated that it will end its production of KDNL's news shows at the end of the year. And it also mentions about the KTVI/KPLR's similar LMA and the sale of KTVI's parent company. What's going to really happen with the Local Marking Agreement between the two stations is that they are going to be maybe dissolved or not. Now, my really big, bigger, biggest question is: when is KDNL going to produce newscasts of its own without the use of KSDK's waterdown version that is going to end? and second of all, why is KDNL not up for sale??? because sinclair wants to hold on to it and wants to hoard it really badly, and I mean really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroiter313 178 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Now, my really big, bigger, biggest question is: when is KDNL going to produce newscasts of its own without the use of KSDK's waterdown version that is going to end? and second of all, why is KDNL not up for sale??? because sinclair wants to hold on to it and wants to hoard it really badly, and I mean really bad. Sinclair also owns NBC affiliate WTWC in Tallahassee, which like its sister station KDNL also doesn't do news. WTWC have tried 2 attempts to air newscasts before, the last attempt was from 1997 to 2000. It failed due to low ratings and budget cuts. I really don't know when is Sinclair is ever going to sell KDNL and WTWC, but that's anyone's guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel2 869 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 I doubt Sinclair would sell KDNL unless they got a very compelling offer. St. Louis is one of their largest markets, and despite how pathetic the station is, it's probably little more than a money machine to them. WTWC, they may be more open to selling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrtraveler01 737 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Sinclair also owns NBC affiliate WTWC in Tallahassee, which like its sister station KDNL also doesn't do news. WTWC have tried 2 attempts to air newscasts before, the last attempt was from 1997 to 2000. It failed due to low ratings and budget cuts. I really don't know when is Sinclair is ever going to sell KDNL and WTWC, but that's anyone's guess. I'm not sure about WTWC but I think KDNL still makes quite a bit of money for Sinclair mainly because of its low-cost strategy. I don't think they'd be that willing to give up KDNL unless it lost the ABC affiliation. And even then, I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTVNews 1366 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Sinclair is too sorry to sell WTWC and KDNL, so picture this and I know some of you may not like the opinion. IF KDNL goes back to FOX, than ABC can be affiliated by either KPLR 11 or KTVI 2. NBC needs to leave WTWC, and find a new station to affiliate with NBC, WMBF launched theirs almost 5 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrtraveler01 737 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Sinclair is too sorry to sell WTWC and KDNL, so picture this and I know some of you may not like the opinion. IF KDNL goes back to FOX, than ABC can be affiliated by either KPLR 11 or KTVI 2. NBC needs to leave WTWC, and find a new station to affiliate with NBC, WMBF launched theirs almost 5 years ago. Unless Sinclair buys KTVI (God forbid), I don't see the Fox affiliation in St. Louis going anywhere. But even then I don't think Sinclair would flip the affiliations mainly because people are accustomed to Fox 2 and ABC 30 (it's been like this for nearly 13 years now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVNewsLover 727 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Unless Sinclair buys KTVI (God forbid), I don't see the Fox affiliation in St. Louis going anywhere. But even then I don't think Sinclair would flip the affiliations mainly because people are accustomed to Fox 2 and ABC 30 (it's been like this for nearly 13 years now) It was 2 with ABC for 40 years and the switch happened so anything is possible. I would like to see KTVI reaffiliate with ABC and KPLR affiliate with FOX. KDNL can have the CW affiliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTVNews 1366 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 I know media companies aren't in a buying mood but, What if Tribune buys KDNL and affiliate with CW, LIN Media purchase KTVI and affiliate with ABC, News Corp buys KPLR and affiliate with FOX, would anyone see that happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4164 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Unless Sinclair buys KTVI (God forbid), I don't see the Fox affiliation in St. Louis going anywhere. But even then I don't think Sinclair would flip the affiliations mainly because people are accustomed to Fox 2 and ABC 30 (it's been like this for nearly 13 years now) KTVI's affiliation deal with Fox (and with all the former O&Os in the LocalTV profile) lasts until late 2017/early 2018. They will not change affiliations in any way, shape or form. End of story. And as I posited in the LocalTV thread, there could be an informal gentleman's agreement between Fox and Sinclair in the wake of the WUTB deal (where Sinclair agreed not to bid for any of the former Fox O&Os, in exchange for WUTB and a virtual triopoly in their home market). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundershock MN 169 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 TVNewsCheck posted this speculation article about the possibilities post-merger, primarily St. Louis. A couple of tidbit, the article states that Gannett has stated that it will end its production of KDNL's news shows at the end of the year. And it also mentions about the KTVI/KPLR's similar LMA and the sale of KTVI's parent company. The Gannett/Belo merger is a bit disconcerting. As I stated over in the Sinclair thread they are trying to convince everyone that Sander/Tucker will be operating the stations separetely. By all accounts Sander/Tucker's roles are basically going to be like a trustee, for lack of a better term. I least that's what they are trying to convince us. So, I'm cautiously optimistic this is the case. We really have nothing to base it on as far as Gannett and LMA's. What's going to really happen with the Local Marking Agreement between the two stations is that they are going to be maybe dissolved or not. Now, my really big, bigger, biggest question is: when is KDNL going to produce newscasts of its own without the use of KSDK's waterdown version that is going to end? and second of all, why is KDNL not up for sale??? because sinclair wants to hold on to it and wants to hoard it really badly, and I mean really bad. I presonally don't see it being desolved for a number of reasons. We have been having the LMA discussion over in the Local TV. So, you can check out my (and everyone else's) thoughts on it over there. My thoughts on the future of newscats on KDNL is over in the Sinclair thread. KTVI's affiliation deal with Fox (and with all the former O&Os in the LocalTV profile) lasts until late 2017/early 2018. They will not change affiliations in any way, shape or form. End of story. And as I posited in the LocalTV thread, there could be an informal gentleman's agreement between Fox and Sinclair in the wake of the WUTB deal (where Sinclair agreed not to bid for any of the former Fox O&Os, in exchange for WUTB and a virtual triopoly in their home market). Thank you for putting the affliation swap to bed. Unfortunately, as much as some would like to see it happen. It's just not going to happen. I respectfully disagree with your WUTB theory. Or, at least portions of it. Note: I'm not trying to mod or police the boards. I just don't feel like typing out the same things. So, I posted links to my posts in other threads. Hopefully, that's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven 1944 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 The Seattle Times have made an opinionated piece, opposing the Gannett/Belo deal. Yes, for obvious reasons. I didn't see them complaining about the force of Maryland taking their local Kingdom away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel2 869 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I saw that last night. The fact that Gannett's getting in on this covert consolidation (as that article and Free Press call it; the author of the article is not a regular Times writer and is from that organization) has irked me from the moment I heard it. I'd thought they'd had some integrity left. As for the effects of that in Denver, I noticed a few nights ago that KWGN's 7PM news and KDVR's late news ran several of the same stories. I don't watch them that often (especially not on the same night), but I did find it troubling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrtraveler01 737 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 The Seattle Times have made an opinionated piece, opposing the Gannett/Belo deal. Yes, for obvious reasons. I didn't see them complaining about the force of Maryland taking their local Kingdom away. It's not from the Seattle Times, it's an opinion piece that the President of Free Press (see link below) wrote up for the Seattle Times. Guest contributor maybe? http://www.freepress.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrtraveler01 737 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 I saw that last night. The fact that Gannett's getting in on this covert consolidation (as that article and Free Press call it; the author of the article is not a regular Times writer and is from that organization) has irked me from the moment I heard it. I'd thought they'd had some integrity left. As for the effects of that in Denver, I noticed a few nights ago that KWGN's 7PM news and KDVR's late news ran several of the same stories. I don't watch them that often (especially not on the same night), but I did find it troubling. I have a feeling that Gannett is going to be very cautious at how well they operate KMOV and KSDK close to one another. The fact that there are basically these are the top 2 stations in St. Louis and now under the same ownership is going to draw red flags if they copy one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike91 66 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Who knows if the FCC is even going to approve the sales in St. Louis and Phoenix. This is the first instance I can think of where a large market would have two big three affiliates controlled by the same company. Most of the LMAs/SSAs have been in mid sized or smaller markets. Having one company control 66% of the tv news media in a major market like St. Louis might not sit well with them. This could be the scare that makes them realize that LMAs/SSAs are bad for local tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Block 1487 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 I saw that last night. The fact that Gannett's getting in on this covert consolidation (as that article and Free Press call it; the author of the article is not a regular Times writer and is from that organization) has irked me from the moment I heard it. I'd thought they'd had some integrity left. As for the effects of that in Denver, I noticed a few nights ago that KWGN's 7PM news and KDVR's late news ran several of the same stories. I don't watch them that often (especially not on the same night), but I did find it troubling. It's been like that for a while. A more startling comparison, though, is if you compare KDVR's 5pm with KWGN's 7pm. They're very similar newscasts, only most of the reporters must be out to dinner by 7pm, resulting in far fewer live reports and more taped packages and filler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanewsguy 509 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 I think SSAs and JSAs are good for local news. Yes, I will get booed at for saying that. But you don't see two stations sending two separate crews reporting on the same exact thing. It frees up the newsrooms to do more local stories than the competition who don't have that advantage. It's all up to local management on how they choose to execute it though. KWGN/KDVR probably aren't doing a good job executing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breaking News 802 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Here my opinion as well on how these stations should be divided up. I know Jack Sander was a long time executive,but not really into him being a Trustee, and that what it's, and with the laws having so many loopholes. Here my break down of it all Hearst buys KMOV & KGW Cox buys KTVK Scripps buys WHAS Raycom buys Tuscon FOX affiliate so both stations 11/13 with be owned operated by Raycom Lin TV buys Allbritton except WJLA goes to ABC/Disney WBMA ABC33/40 go to Scripps, KPLR is bought by Lin and becomes ABC 11 and KDNL becomes CW Sinclair/Fisher deals get killed and Post-Newsweek buys KOMO & KATU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha 2878 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Raycom cannot own a duopoly in Tucson without a failing station waiver. It would need American Spirit to complete that purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Magazine 18 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Enjoy hearing that a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanewsguy 509 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Here my opinion as well on how these stations should be divided up. I know Jack Sander was a long time executive,but not really into him being a Trustee, and that what it's, and with the laws having so many loopholes. Here my break down of it all Hearst buys KMOV & KGW Cox buys KTVK Scripps buys WHAS Raycom buys Tuscon FOX affiliate so both stations 11/13 with be owned operated by Raycom Lin TV buys Allbritton except WJLA goes to ABC/Disney WBMA ABC33/40 go to Scripps, KPLR is bought by Lin and becomes ABC 11 and KDNL becomes CW Sinclair/Fisher deals get killed and Post-Newsweek buys KOMO & KATU None of this is going to happen. Hate to tell you that. The FCC will probably approve the sale but place major sanctions on the operation of KTVK and especially KMOV. As long as Gannett has "legally" found a way to acquire the stations (like they did here) they will get them. It may seem what Gannett is doing is wrong but it isn't illegal. That's the takeaway point from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel2 869 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Enjoy hearing that a lot more. Ugh, that song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven 1944 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Ugh, that song. I know how you feel. I can't picture hearing that in Texas, the NW, and NOLA. OMG that's going to be a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVIntheDesert 183 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Raycom cannot own a duopoly in Tucson without a failing station waiver. It would need American Spirit to complete that purchase. I haven't seen the Tucson numbers recently, but KMSB's numbers may be low enough that Univision or Telemundo may be close to taking the #4 spot in that market. If that's the case, then Raycom can legally buy the station outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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