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i've read that KCNC's old helicopeter was shared with KKTV.

One of many things Hearst does right. Although I do wonder if their standards have been slipping as of late, given KMBC's decline in the past 5 years and the fact that Hearst lately has been forcing its stations to air must-runs. Hearst will be the best major owner going forward, now that Cox Media Group is 80% owned by a private equity firm, and private equity firms have always been all about money. Lately many prviate companies have been purchased by private equity firms. This is sad.

I pretty much agree with what you have said. I also forgot to mention that, as everyone knows, Belo was one of the best station owners out there. They were right up there with Cox and Hearst and better than even Gannett. Unfortunately, Belo is mostly gone except for that little A. H. Belo company that still happens to own two North Texas newspapers, and Cox Media Group is now 80% owned by private equity (and is likely to get worse soon). That leaves us with just Hearst out of the three.

Gannett/TEGNA's decline started before Cheatwood came in. Trust me here. It started in 2014 when they decided to launch Atlanta Alive on WXIA. By early 2015 KPNX started to become, to quote Samantha, "the place with more fluff". Those two stations fell victim to TEGNA-itis before the split even was completed. I agree, even without Cheatwood I'm not sure if TEGNA will get better, especially considering that this is a company where you never know what actually is going to happen. There's a chance they'll continue on the current path of underachieving. As you know, Gannett Broadcasting used to be a good owner of TV stations. Gannett/TEGNA is a shell of its former self these days, and it's rather likely that it won't change.

Did WLWT use talent opens in the camera era? I have not seen any video evidence. I know they did in the ring era, and when they used the last pre-Hearst graphics from 1997-1998. Also there's nothing I've seen on YouTube of anything from WXII from the camera era save for a 2000 open. I want to see WXII stuff from 2001, 2002, 2003 or 2004 (pre-ring graphics). YouTube also has virtually nothing I've seen to do with WLWT that is from 2003-2007. I want to see their later camera-era (2003-2004) stuff. YouTube also doesn't have (much of) anything from KCRA in 2005 or 2006 that I know of. They also don't have much content from WDSU from 2003-2008, and no content from KOCO in 2004-2007. Oh, and I forgot to mention WLKY got the ring graphics in spring 2005.

I looked at the WayBack Machine, and thanks to it we bring you some dates for when each of these stations introduced the ring graphics: WESH: September 2004 WBAL: between October and December 2004 WCVB: February 2005 WTAE, WISN, KOCO: April 2005 KCRA, KETV: Spring 2005 WDSU: Mid-2005

Looks like no reply yet, but I would like to add: WCVB received updated "floating logo" opens in 2009 and 2011. However I would like to know exact dates in those years. Also, when was the "#" added in front of "WCVB" in their diagrid bug? And when in 2003 was WCVB's slogan changed from "Coverage You Can Count On" to "Local Live Coverage You Can Count On"? Side note: Interesting that KCCI used both Image News and B Package/Revolution at the same time. I wonder if they used one or both for closes. Also, did WDSU use talent opens during the camera/B Package era, and did KOAT use talent opens between 1999 and 2004? I know they did late in the camera era in 2004, when they were using the NMC music package and weird opens for Hearst-Argyle at the time.

Does anyone know when in 2001 WCVB got the updated talent opens (I call this camera v2.5), introduced around April 2000 (right?) on KCRA. When WCVB got the talent opens the main opens at the beginning were also slightly modified. Also, when in 2004 did WCVB get the ring graphics? Maybe it was around September 1998 that camera v2 was first introduced, on WCVB of course. Right?

I'm glad that it didn't actually become the new Fox logo. Had this actually been the new Fox logo, then the world will implode. Just kidding; if it actually became the new logo, I would faint, because it would be horrible and not everyone can even read what it says!

Sorry to bump, but I thought I read somewhere that WPBF got the ring graphics alongside the Newsmusic Central package in 2004? Timeline of Hearst graphics: November 1995: Camera v1 (on WCVB), retired 1998 Late 1997: Camera v2 (on WISN). B Package/Revolution first appeared in fall 1998 on KOCO, and updated opens (including talent opens) were introduced on KCRA around April 2000 alongside B Package Series 3. Image News Series 5 and 6 debuted later that year on KMBC. Retired 2005/2006. 2002: WMUR/KITV Camera, retired on KITV in 2005 and replaced by Ring. On WMUR, it received updates in later years, starting with a major update in 2005 before it was retired in 2011 April 2004: Ring (on WESH and WLWT), although the Newsmusic Central package was intoduced four months before in December 2003. Retired September 2012, on WMTW February 2007: Floating Logo (on KCRA), retired 2014, on WMUR July 2012: Diagrid v1, on WESH, with WBAL getting it the following day, still in use on WMUR January 2018: Diagrid v2

Yes, but WHO produces KDSM's local news.

When did Advance/Newhouse started to decline? With all those newspapers they're buying up, GateHouse (soon to be the new and improved (not) Gannett) seems to be becoming the Sinclair of the newspaper industry. Well, I guess the Gannett name will become damaged goods because it is going to be associated with some evil driving force buying newspapers large and small and ruining them, not what it was in the past when the company that was called Gannett was a company that owned TV stations (and ran them well) as well as newspapers. Soon, you will have this horrible, evil Gannett that is the worst of all newspaper owners, and the mediocre-at-best and buying-any-station-they-can-have-their-hands-on TEGNA that we already have now. Who will want to read USA Today 5 or 10 years from now, between all this and the fact that the newspaper industry is already dying? Will USA Today even exist in 10 years? Looks like GateHouse is a total joke. It will soon be called Gannett but that won't change it. This company is so bad that Advance/Newhouse would look like Belo in comparison.

I'm not a big fan of the layout of the new graphics when used on an American TV station. I'm okay with it being used in Europe, though. Older viewers might think "are you sure this is still WKYC?" Especially after two modifications to the old logo over the years. The logo was basically used for 26 years. As with many others here, I'm also not a fan of the new logo. In typical TEGNA fashion these days, it's too bland. Semi-related, but what are the exact dates for when WKYC got each of their graphics packages? Yes, I already know or previously knew some of them. Also, there's no website that describes the exact date for when every station changed graphics and music packages. I'm really interested in that. At least I'm glad KPNX here did not change its logo lately.

WKYC would be better off using the logo used in the Troika demo video from 2018 that is similar to the current (soon-to-be-former) logo, except that the 3 is unitalicized and there is no line. But the new WKYC logo that's coming out later this month, right when the 2019-2020 television season starts, is/will be by far the worst logo I have ever seen. It just keeps getting worse and worse with every new logo coming from TEGNA. What's next, KPNX changing from 12 News to just 12 (i.e. 12 at 6)? Oh wait, they already did that with 12 Today. And WTLV had "12 at Noon" and "12 at 11:00" pre-First Coast News. Back during better times for Gannett, of course. You never know what TEGNA will do these days. I've seen bad. The new Circle K logo. The new WEWS logo. The new WXIA logo. The new Save Mart (supermarket chain in CA and NV) logo (at least the green and orange colors help an otherwise bad logo). Save Mart's sister chains Lucky and FoodMaxx also have new (bad) logos. And I saw the new Pizza Patrón logo. It was horrible and I miss the old one. But the new WKYC logo makes all those look okay to great in comparison. Have you seen the new Save Mart, Lucky, FoodMaxx, and Pizza Patrón logos or even heard of those chains? What are otherwise bad logos seem more tolerable than this crap that is coming out of TEGNA.

Geez, TEGNA hiring another comedian. The condition of TEGNA and Scripps continues to get worse and worse. Also they both continue to get bigger and bigger. I won't be surprised if either of those companies buys the Meredith stations. (On a side note, I haven't seen any billboards for KPNX since 2015 (post-split). I did see a billboard for Red Nose Day on KPNX in 2016 but NBC payed for the billboard, not TEGNA. Maybe it has to do with their weak news ratings these days? I have seen billboards for KNXV, KPHO, and KSAZ last year. I have also never heard any radio ads for KPNX (but I did hear one for the then co-owned newspaper The Arizona Republic in 2014, pre-split of course).)