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5 hours ago, ThunderJay27 said:
From what I've seen so far this week, the reporters are transitioning to the CBS News Philadelphia tag. So looks like the end of an era may be on the horizon.
KYW didn't use the EWN name from 1991 until 1998, reclaiming it two years after Group W ceased to exist.
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4 hours ago, CircleWXYZ said:
I’m curious to see if WWJ will be the first Detroit station to air a 3pm newscast. They are already debuting the 4pm newscast next Monday.
I believe the strategy is to air more news than syndicated shows on WWJ-TV. With Drew Barrymore moving to 9 am next week, I can’t see WWJ putting Drew Barrymore at 3 pm.
CBS News Detroit is basically a streaming operation that happens to have a transmitter tower to simulcast off of, and the stated goal is to be live from 4:30am to 11:35pm every day. Given the current buildout, they’ll already have a 3pm news running streaming-only for a few months until Phil’s show ends, at which point 62 can start simulcasting (and the reruns for next season are shunted off to WKBD?) Currently they have a 7pm streaming-only and that could be added to 62 in the coming weeks.
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This could be a one-off to audition talent or work out logistics, but WWJ just added a newscast for next Sunday night right after the Grammys… ATM there's no newscast scheduled for the following Sunday night@Samantha
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8 hours ago, abric said:
I saw they want to get the full news schedule in place by March.
They might not be THAT quick—mornings feel like it’ll fall in place by May at the latest—but they’re building this out at a rather steady pace and experimenting with likely talent pairings.
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3 hours ago, TheNewsTV said:
They're doing a 7pm edit as well, with Shaina Humphries.
That’s currently streaming-only but the legal ID tag suggests it might be added very soon.
Their 4pm news launches next Monday. With The Drew Barrymore Show’s modular setup, the other half will be moved to 9:30 a.m.
Also I’m watching the stream and they’ve added Detroit Now on WKBD…
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15 hours ago, abric said:
After watching the newscasts, I feel Amyre and Jeff are a much better anchor team.
They still have to launch a 4pm news; it’s possible this was a talent audition.
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Ol’ Scotty got it wrong on multiple fronts.
Here’s the thing: it’s not about LIV at all. CBS has no reason to keep those stations affiliated with the CW, a network that they jettisoned their joint operating stake in and have already washed their hands of. But LIV gives them a readymade excuse as CBS is not going to want to be seen as being in bed with the Saudis (as @channel2noted to me, yes, Paramount has a joint venture with Qatar managing the remains of Miramax, but it’s all about the PR here, and Uncle Perry made a boo-boo).
CBS launching an all-news streaming service on WWJ meant that they were always going to wind up doing the same in Atlanta and Seattle and make them in-house CBS O&Os (and possibly in Tampa had the Standard General takeover of TEGNA actually went through; thankfully that deal is dead and the station is expendable). Plus CBS already dumped MyNet on WBFS and WSBK and have the Now hybrid local-national franchises in primetime on their secondary stations.
And the insane thing is, Nexstar is only thinking about how to turn a profit on an operation CBS and Warners lost a shocking amount of money on. They don’t care if it completely nukes the affiliate base, a parcel of land basically paid for the CW in the first place.
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2 hours ago, TheRob said:
“NewsNation, the cable news channel created from what had been WGN America prior to Nexstar’s acquisition of Tribune Media in 2019, was another area of focus during the call. Execs emphasized that it has been profitable since it launched in rebranded form in 2020. They also noted their plans to program it with 24 hours a day of news from Monday through Friday by the end of 2023 and then fully 24/7 news by the end of 2024.”
That’s literally it in a nutshell. Regardless of how much Nexstar screws up The CW, it’s still going to make a profit as opposed to the prior business model. NewsNation has objectively failed in their original stated purpose as a news channel, and no one is watching, and yet they would be losing money continuing to have it as a ION-lite rerun farm that no one would be watching.
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11 hours ago, DirtyHarry said:
Playing devil's advocate, maybe that's why they wanted to keep virtual channel 3 so badly in Las Vegas!
Apples and oranges. Sinclair could not legally keep either the 33 or 40 of “ABC 33/40” and if they filed such a request to claim VC 33 or 40 in the present day, it would be rejected.
And AGAIN, people have no trouble finding James Spann when there’s a tornado and he rolls up his sleeves.
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3 hours ago, CircleSeven said:
On the second week of its debut, 62 has launched the 5pm hour tonight.
Rachelle Graham & Terrance Friday are anchoring the hour.
4pm might not be far off at this rate, which would match up with their intended launch plans (after considerable revision).
One thing I’m legitimately surprised about is WWJ running Entertainment Tonight at 1:35 a.m. … why not at 7:30 p.m.??
2 hours ago, Georgie56 said:Amyre Makupson made her debut on the 6pm filling in for Shaina Humphries (who co-hosted The Talk out in LA today).
Her mother Amyre Sr. also appeared at the end of the 6pm half-hour.
Amyre Sr. got her big break in 1975 as one of the first anchors for WGPR-TV’s Big City News, so it really does come full circle.
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9 hours ago, CLETVFan said:
Scripps is once again growing in cable. Makes me wish they didn't sell DIY, HGTV and Food Network in the first place.
These are diginets as opposed to cable. Thanks to the Ion/Inyo footprint, Scripps has a major OTA presence to exploit as well as getting them on every FAST/OTT/SVOD.
4 hours ago, ABC 7 Denver said:Odds are that they eventually spin this division off again.
tbh if they spin anything off in a few years, it’ll be the network affiliates. And they have no reason to even do that.
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On 1/25/2023 at 11:50 AM, iron_lion said:
I know that the point is to de-emphasize channel numbers because people are watching on multiple platforms.
Is it safe to assume however, that television is still the dominant way people consume local news? If so, there should be at least some reference to channel numbers so people know where to find the station. One way might be to include the station's channel number along with the call letters that are usually placed below the station's logo.
Example: CBS News Los Angeles
KCBS-TV | Channel 2
This might be especially useful for higher up double digit channel numbers like WWJ 62 in Detroit. Someone without cable may not know what dial CBS is and might not take the time to flip as far up as 62 on their OTA television.
I looked at WBMA’s channel lineup with @Weeterslast night. It’s devolved into an absurdly laughable mess since Sinclair twisted arms and bent reality to get the Allbritton deal finalized:
Sinclair could make it so much easier on everyone and call the whole enterprise “WBMA ABC” or “ABC Birmingham” or “ABC 58” or “ABC Alabama”… and yet… and yet, people still find a way to watch James Spann on ABC 58/68.2/17.2/40.2… errr… “ABC 33/40” AND are doing so in a market historically dominated by 6 and 13 with a branding that’s been obsolete for nearly nine years.
That’s what I mean when I debate the actual importance of channel number branding in the post-DTV switch and early OTT/SVOD eras.
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8 minutes ago, nycnewsjunkie said:
I think it’s safe to say that CBS Detroit falls into the “fewer legacy viewers at risk” category. Not only is channel 62 hard to get to for OTA viewers; that station (in its current form) doesn’t have much of a legacy to speak of.
The bitter part is that WGPR-TV has a legacy. It was merely erased from channel 62 in 1994 when CBS was forced to buy the station under duress and is now confined to a museum.
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1 minute ago, sfomspphl said:
For Fox or CNN they never had the memory of a channel number branding visual or audio. There’s also no local vs national programming distinction.
Of note, Fox affiliate branding conventions came from how the MetroMedia chain identified themselves for decades. What had been “MetroMedia Channel #” was altered to “Fox Television Channel #” when Rupert bought the chain. By 1988, it was simplified to “Fox #”.
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3 minutes ago, ColDayNews said:
Or, could Nexstar purchase WWHO outright? It'd be like a mini-reunion between them and WCMH, who managed WWHO until Viacom ownership
Why would Manham/Sinclair want to sell it? If Nexstar strips WWHO of the CW, they could still run the station as a diginet tree from a server in a broom closet at the WSYX studios. Put Comet on 53.1 or something.
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6 hours ago, tyrannical bastard said:
WKYC wasn't broke when Tegna decided to "fix it". They tried the standard Tegna approach for a short while before deciding to reinvent the wheel for the purposes of chasing younger viewers. They've backed off in some ways, but they trashed the station in 2019.
With all due respect, this reads like a typical Scotty Jones “tHiS iS tEgNa” old-man-yelling-at-cloud post which got his blog banned from this forum’s Discord server in the first place.
PROVE to me with ratings data that the station was “trashed” because it’s Doing Things Different And That Is Bad, otherwise it’s just conjecture. My 69-year old mother watches all the local news (with divided preferences to WKYC and WJW) and she doesn’t care about the ownership of either. Whenever I see people, including some who live in other parts of the freaking country and would never want to see Cleveland, go on their typical “WKYC ruined themselves with that logo…” or “when they call themselves ‘channel 3’, I’ll care about them”, it comes off as ill-informed and silly and makes the TV hobbyist community look out of touch. (“No, it’s the children who are wrong!”)
The cold hard truth is that the vast majority of television news viewers are 25–54 female; the demographics here and on Discord do not match up with that in any way. It’s for a variety of reasons but it’s not like we’re doing anything to make either platform all that more palatable to them.
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10 hours ago, tyrannical bastard said:
Had Gannett still been the owner of the Tegna stations, I think they would be slightly better off than they are today. WKYC is a disaster under Tegna, when under the earlier guidance of Gannett, rose to the top of the Cleveland market for the first time in decades.
How is WKYC a “disaster” under Tegna when the ratings position hasn’t changed much, if at all, since their 2019 revamp? Scott Jones’s hilariously biased anti-Tegna blog posts don’t count.
10 hours ago, tyrannical bastard said:Gannett instead decided to become the Nexstar of the newspaper industry, acquiring virtually all of the major newspapers in Ohio except for Cleveland, Toledo, Dayton and Youngstown. Their consolidation (under GateHouse) really consolidated their presence in places like Akron and Columbus, buying up the community newspapers (Dix) and the Beacon Journal (from Black Press), and using their existing Gannett holdings in Central Ohio to supplement their purchase of the Dispatch from the Wolfes.
Gannett split for only two reasons:
1. NBCO forced Gannett to assign quite a few of the Belo stations into shell groups until the split allowed them to buy those stations outright.
2. Who in their right mind wants to buy a newspaper? It’s nonsensical other than for the historical archives and digital assets.
And you think Gatehouse/Gannett is bad? The Plain Dealer, owned by the Newhouse family since the late 1960s, has only FOUR union employees on staff. Up to the early 2010s, it was a damn good paper. The Newhouses busted the union and destroyed it in favor of their Cleveland.com digital property, which has always been substandard ever since they launched it in 1998.
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31 minutes ago, DirtyHarry said:
I don't think Media General was so bad. They had financial problems but their on air product was respectable, and they still treated WCMH and WFLA like their flagships. Outlet was a great owner. Everybody says the NBC years were good, but I wasn't a fan. When you're too cheap to build a new news set and have to get one second hand from Louisville, that's pretty shoddy. Likewise with their cameras. I think I remember them bragging about new cameras they were getting being used models from Rockefeller Center. LOL
MediaGeneral was doomed as a station group when Soo Kim and Deb McDermott forcibly took control of the chain, merged it into LIN and THEN tried to merge it into Meredith before dumping it all in Nexstar’s lap.
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2 minutes ago, DirtyHarry said:
And furthermore, I can't think of any place other than Louisville, Birmingham and maybe Chicago where a UHF station has been able to drag itself out of the cellar it has VHF competition. By and large, low channel numbers are the most successful.
KVUE and KXAN are two UHFs that repeatedly beat KTBC, the biggest bust of all the New World—Fox stations.
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1 hour ago, Breaking News said:
The audience who've been around will cling to a channel #. They will see the # in the logo, because people only remember the abstract.
Including the very old demos that seek out cable talk channels regardless of the high channel number they are on?
6 hours ago, Bsean said:I agree. I use YouTube TV and regardless of the channel number, the first channels that appear are CBS, ABC, NBC, and Fox. I'm in San Diego, so the order isn't even in number order... 8, 10, 7, 5...
I'll also add, that's the default, but you can customize the order of the channel listings by putting your most watched at the top. So in the end, that channel number really doesn't matter
Surprised that no one has pointed out that those channels are listed as “CBS”, “ABC”, “Fox” and “PBS” … not “News8”, “10News”, “Fox 5/69” or “KPBS”. The generic displays on YouTube TV lend themselves DIRECTLY to CBS’s new branding convention.
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7 hours ago, 24994J said:
Dammit. That combined CBS2 in the box branding looks awful.
I get that they don’t want to confuse themselves with WCBS NewsRadio 88 or 101.1 CBS-FM, but this is why you don’t even bother with the black box.
Good grief.
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On 1/14/2023 at 4:21 PM, bpatrick said:
What happened to docudramas? Remember in the '70s "Pueblo" and "The Missiles of October," to name just two? Why can you not find a program like "The World at War" on a broadcast station? I even remember one year in the '60s when ABC had "FDR," CBS had "World War I," and NBC had "Profiles in Courage" either in prime time or just before.
My students have a very limited knowledge of history; shows like these could entertain as well as teach, and perhaps we teachers could use some of the made-for-TV movies to point out factual errors.That’s literally what PBS does on a daily basis.
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I’m trying to understand the logic of debating the importance of channel numbers when they’ve been falling into irrelevance since the DTV switchover… and will further become irrelevant as ATSC 3.0 is rolled out.
This isn’t 1994.
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1 hour ago, Georgie56 said:
Must be a streaming-specific bug then.Even if it is just that, I highly doubt that you’ll see a branding disparity between OTA and streaming last for long.
For one, February sweeps is forthcoming. No better time for the CBS Los Angeles name to be gradually phased in with the KCAL name so OTA viewers can connect the two brands.
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New CBS O&O Look Coming Soon?
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Where are we drawing this conclusion? Because there's a gold ring around the transitional logo in that first picture that can be easily excised?