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33 minutes ago, CircleWXYZ said:
I remember when WOIO started it’s news operation in early 1995. They only had a 6 and 11 pm newscast. For years, WOIO not only struggled, it was always treated as a step child to WKYC, WEWS, and WJW. Took years for it to expand but they did.
So far, WWJ is off to a much better start than WOIO did in 1995.
I know @Samanthadid the progression for the other new affiliates earlier in this thread, but I looked up the timetable for WOIO when I redid that station’s Wikipedia article:
WOIO’s news service launched on February 5, 1995, with a 6pm and 11pm seven days a week, as an outgrowth of WUAB’s 10pm news. Noon and an hour-long 6am newscast were added in December 1996. 5:30am on WOIO and 11:30am on WUAB were added on October 1997 (the latter cancelled less than a year later).
It wasn’t until January 2002, just before the Action News relaunch, that WOIO added a 5pm news. A 4pm followed in 2003. The 3pm and a 9am news (the latter coming over from their OTT service and reformatted as a general newscast in March 2020) were added in 2019.
To be honest, it’s almost unfair to compare this launch effort with WOIO or any of the other newly-launched news departments between 1994 and 1996 and the New World-Fox fallout. Everything—the audience, the resources needed and procured for a news service, and the means to measure television audiences—are totally different. As is what Paramount would define as a success for CBS News Detroit… or WOIO in the present day.
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On 2/8/2023 at 8:15 PM, The Frog said:
https://www.ftvlive.com/sqsp-test/2023/2/7/perry-sook-vs-cbs
Sources tell FTVLive that CBS will decline running the Saudi-backed LIV Golf Tour on the CW stations that CBS owns.
CBS is not going to do anything that will cause harm to their relationship with the PGA and they will refuse to air the LIV Golf telecasts on The CW stations that they own.
This will put CBS in violation of their CW contract and that will give Perry Sook the option to pull the network affiliation from those CBS owned stations.
If this is actually true (and it is Scotty Jones, so it must be 100% put under an air of suspicion) a few things:
1. CBS pulled their affiliation from WJMN and literally put it on the .2 of a diginet tree. Uncle Perry might think he’s going to be a tough guy to retaliate in kind, but don’t underestimate the network. And do you really want to come off as an immovable bully to the other networks, Uncle Perry?
2. There will be a settlement of some sort—CBS might even get to yank their affiliation off of WTTV/WTTK and put it back on WISH, where it belongs—but it’s kinda obvious this was floated to Scotty, and he published it without any sort of critical thinking.
3. If CBS refuses to air LIV, Gray and Scripps will follow. That will severely limit Nexstar’s options for replacement CW affiliates in multiple markets they don’t own a station in. Why would a WMYD want to take the CW if they have to run LIV and after Scripps refuses to run it?
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On 1/20/2023 at 3:40 PM, ABC 7 Denver said:
You NEVER include a slogan in your logo. Amateur hour.
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Pressed by (CNBC) host David Faber on whether he’d be interested if Comcast CEO Brian Roberts inquired about buying the Disney stake, (Bob) Iger said, “We will be open minded.” Faber noted that the going assumption has been that Disney would buy the remaining stake in Hulu. “And I think I am suggesting that that is not necessarily the case,” Iger said.
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The problem with late-night talk shows is that they have all been largely using the same exact formula for decades, a formula that Johnny Carson largely set in motion:
- A live announcer to introduce the program, announce the guests and cue the host to enter.
- A live in-studio audience.
- An in-house band.
- A desk for the host with adjacent couches or chairs for the guests. Maybe it includes an old-timey microphone!
- A monologue by the host, varying in length depending on the host.
- A second segment (either after the monologue or the first commercial break) with an extended series of comedy bits. Could be live in-studio or via tape.
- The guests come out one-by-one for extended interviews and (depending on the host) softball questions.
- A stand-up act or musical number by a guest band or singer to conclude the program.
Even as James Corden used Graham Norton's setup of having the guests come on all at once, he still used a house band and had a monologue. CraigyFerg didn't have a house band--or much of anything--but he still did a monologue (many of which were deeply compelling and riveting), interviewed guests and had a robot as his announcer. While Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel and (especially) Seth Myers are exceptionally political, they all follow the formulas to some degree. But at least you can tell one Jimmy apart from the other Jimmy.
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The only thing I’m curious about is if National Press Club says anything about this, or do they keep quiet?
i guarantee you that if this was a Gray or Scripps or CBS or even a Sinclair employee, the NPC would be (rightfully) raising a stink. But none of those groups chose to affiliate with LIV…
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Bob threw the other Bob under the bus during that conference call, big time. ( h/t @channel2)
https://deadline.com/2023/02/bob-iger-says-espn-not-for-sale-1235253913/
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26 minutes ago, 24994J said:
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KILLER UMBRELLA! On the next Inside Edition!
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1 minute ago, GodfreyGR said:
Allow me to clarify- I did not mean to suggest Gardner would have cared or not- but habitual viewers (I think the term rusty was thrown around earlier this week) would whine and complain if there was too much change at once (again, to clarify, are the possible complaints valid? I don't think so). They probably also call complaining that Ken Jennings is not Alex Trebek.
The majority of the “rusted dial” complainers are well over the 25–54 money demo. They’re the people who Sam Watterson markets to when pitching Old Glory Robot Insurance.
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56 minutes ago, nynewsguy said:
WABC will not change the channel 7 branding as long as they broadcast over the air. It’s the only of the O&O stations that the ABC# didn’t work when the Disney mandate pushed through years ago.
WABC’s branding is such an atrocious and inconsistent mess that it’s a miracle they’re number one in anything.
The “Disney Mandate” reads like another “CBS Mandate” to me, tbvh.
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1 hour ago, bpatrick said:
Regardless of whether or not CBS goes somewhere else, I plan to drop dead if WANF passes WXIA for third place in Atlanta news. I haven't seen WANF's new look, but my gut tells me to keep an eye on the battle for third between the two. For me the last good newscast on 11 Alive was "Pro News" in the mid-'70s; Virgil Dominic lived up to the newscast's name.
Reference my earlier post. WANF isn’t doing this for conventional ratings because they’re targeting people whom Nielsen left behind. It’s no secret that Nielsen is a broken system and some broadcast chains have already moved on from them.
So even if WANF’s ratings “don’t improve”, it doesn’t matter. Same with WWJ. They’ve already found a good target audience and will make money on their new ventures.
Local ratings? It just doesn’t matter. It just doesn’t matter! I’m telling you, it just doesn’t matter!!
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Atlanta News First is taking, note-for-note, what Gray did with WOIO-WUAB and fusing a bit of the CBS News playbook to it. WOIO was one of the first stations to embrace over-the-top streaming and rolling coverage online prior to 2020, championed by the same Eric Schrader heading up WANF. Schrader not only wowed Gray brass in demonstrating the simplicity of WOIO's OTT setup--it really doesn't use much resources--it played a role in their embrace of digital streaming and likely got him the Atlanta gig.
Conventional ratings at this point don't matter for WOIO. What matters is targeting an audience that will easily access their newscasts, and by and large, they've been very successful. That's exactly what they've implemented at WANF and is exactly what CBS is doing with WWJ (you could argue that CBS News Detroit is more a Xerox of WOIO's digital strategy than WANF is). But it also underscores the democratization of television journalism. You don't have to be beholden to Neilsen's television ratings--a rather ancient and increasingly inaccurate method for audience membership--if you can make money and find viewers with a product that can be done with both efficiency and care.
To that point, I think a market like Atlanta can support more than one digitally-based news services. If CBS wanted to make use of WUPA for an in-house news operation, it can 100% co-exist with Atlanta News First and both can thrive.
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38 minutes ago, GodfreyGR said:
That was already tried in the MySpace era.
That was 15 years ago. The industry and the consumer is not the same today as in 2008 and admittedly, Fox may have been way ahead of their time.
41 minutes ago, GodfreyGR said:Let the whole Jim Gardner retiring thing settle before they start making other changes to the newscast, but to your point yes- it's likely they will make some modifications to the newscast at some point.
To be honest, I don't think Jim Gardner would have cared if they changed to "ABC Philadelphia News" and unveiled a redo of MCTYW by Made Music a week before he retired.
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1 minute ago, newscopter7 said:
Ctfu at the suggestion the station group that is consistently #1 would follow suit of the perennial bottom-dweller.
Paramount Global is putting attention and care at the CBS stations for the first time in decades. They're beginning to implement changes sorely-needed in the industry that the other networks will imitate, including branding and identifiers. And yes, I will not be shocked if one day, WPVI rebrands to "ABC Philadelphia" and WABC becomes "ABC New York". It will absolutely happen.
"ABC 7" might mean WABC to you or WLS to someone in Chicago or KABC in Los Angeles, but they get drowned in a ton of other ABC 7s in social media and online portals. The current way of doing things is 100% unsustainable.
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33 minutes ago, Mrtraveler01 said:
I dunno. WPVI tried to replace MCTYW with a modernized version of it and we saw how that turned out.
Which happened 27 years ago. And unpopular opinion, the redone version wasn't that much better and should have been shelved. But MCTYW in the classic form is ridiculously dated, at least when compared to the iteration WNEP uses (which was kept because -- gasp!! -- it fits the Tegna graphics like a glove).
34 minutes ago, Mrtraveler01 said:Both WPVI and WABC are number 1 in their markets respectively. They have less of an incentive to rebrand like the struggling CBS O&Os do.
Those stations are #1 despite Disney basically not giving a crap about them and treating them like an afterthought.
Disney has not bought a station in the now-dead M&A mania because ABC remains such a low priority, it's all about the Pixar and the Marvel and the Star Wars product. Heck, they probably forget that they even own ABC.
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4 minutes ago, RaleighTVBOI1 said:
I thought Disney owned Action News wow, Eyewitness started in Philly than better crafted in New York. Hmm interesting.
Apollo Global Management, which owns “Cox Media Group”, owns the trademark to Action News. Disney pays Apollo-Cox a fee to use the trademark on WPVI. (Disney DOES own “Move Closer To Your World”, which they bought after Mayoham Music went out of business.)
Paramount Global has the first-use service mark for “Eyewitness News” which Westinghouse registered and will keep ownership of it after KYW-TV drops the name (again). ABC has always licensed the name from Westinghouse—>CBS—>Paramount.
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On 2/4/2023 at 6:11 PM, RaleighTVBOI1 said:
Eyewitness News Is now an ABC since all there O&O are most-watched or #1 outright.
To be blunt, would anyone be surprised if ABC winds up wholesale rebranding their O&Os in the same way the CBS O&Os are? As @Weeters brought up to me, Wendy McMahon came to CBS from ABC, and did so after Bob Iger retired. Iger might really not be happy that Chapek just let her walk on over to a competitor the way she did.
Just because Action News is the Delaware Valley’s Leading News Program (Disney has to pay Apollo-Cox for the “Action” name) or Eyewitness News is “News York’s #1 News” (and Disney has to pay Paramount Global for the EWN name) doesn’t mean those names are ironclad. If CBS can get this new branding convention to work, the other three networks will follow. And no station will be immune, brand legacy be darned.
Nothing is ironclad or impenetrable. It might even be the reason why the ABC O&O graphic redo has been placed on hold indefinitely…
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2 minutes ago, ColtFromGulfcoast said:
Okay but a vast number of CBS stations and indeed a number of stations owned by Gray in general don't brand with the network.
As long as Gray keeps paying those checks for reverse comp, WANF should be fine.
Again, it misses the larger point: CBS has a stand-alone in a top 10 market that is poised to dump the CW anyway and become an independent. They are not going to keep running WUPA as a pass-through independent in the long-term.
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3 hours ago, CircleWXYZ said:
Heard a 9 am and 12 pm newscasts are coming.
Zap2It is now showing that the noon debuts next Monday
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8 minutes ago, mre29 said:
By that logic, WFSB in Hartford (also a Gray station acquired from Meredith) is going to drop CBS, too -- its website is also missing the network's logo.
Here’s the thing:
CBS has a station in Atlanta which is currently an affiliate of the CW (and possibly could be going indie). They aren’t going to keep the running the station as a stand-alone indie in a top 10 market. Nor do they have anyone to sell it to (friendly reminder that this is no longer a buyer’s market for TV stations or for large-scale M&As).
Given that WWJ-TV is merely simulcasting an OTT/SVOD with a smattering of syndication and CBS programming, it’s not TOO outside the box to see CBS make WUPA, WTOG and KSTW in-house CBS O&Os. And even that LPTV in Indianapolis, WBXI-CD. Sure, CBS could use WTOG, WBXI-CD and KSTW as bargaining chips to get further established stations—and they probably will—but WWJ-TV and CBS News Detroit might be giving them a road map for the future that’s already under all of our noses.
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7 hours ago, DirtyHarry said:
3. With the Atlanta rumors, maybe they should have held on to some of those CW stations they previously divested. Like Providence, Columbus and Indianapolis. CBS News Providence? CBS News Indianapolis?
CBS still has that LPTV in Indianapolis. Just saying…
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12 hours ago, CircleWXYZ said:
I think CBS News Detroit is doing way better than what anyone anticipated. WWJ is obviously targeting a whole new audience and a lot of people are tuning in. That interview from TVnews.net really spoke volumes.
The times I’ve watched the 62 simulcasts, I’ve been struck at how they deliberately pace stories and allowing them to breathe. It’s the polar opposite of most other newscasts in the entire industry but at the same time, it’s like they watched that 1980 aircheck of WABC Eyewitness News @HulkieDhas cited in the past as recommended viewing for TV executives and copiously took notes.
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1 hour ago, T.L. Hughes said:
Speaking of, when does WWJ plan to begin offering regular weekend newscasts? For that matter, when will production of WKBD’s 10:00 p.m. newscast be transferred from KTVT to the in-house operation?
Wasn’t local production of Detroit Now already switched over to 62/50? I’m not sure most people would be able to see the difference anyway.
The timeline for buildout appears to be: add the 4pm, then the noon (and 7pm?) and then weekend evenings… then buildout weekday mornings, with weekend mornings as the last piece.
Going by the original “40 hours a week” projection for CBS News Detroit simulcasts on 62, WWJ stands to have local news from 4:30–7am, 9–9:30am, noon—12:30pm, 4–6:30pm, 7–7:30pm and 11–11:35pm on weekdays, two hours on Saturday and Sunday morning and the 6 and 11 on weekends.
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5 hours ago, Tyler said:
It wouldn’t make sense to use black/gold in a newsroom shot and blue elsewhere.
Are we even sure that this is any part of the graphics package they’ll be using? It looks like an in-house mod of the logo just for that specific shot. There’s no L3 or bugs to speak of.
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WJW’s used the “Cleveland’s Own” slogan continually since 1988.
In fact, there’s another station that we all know of which uses their (very) long-standing slogan in their logo: